I’ve closed comments on the previous post – “USA Gun Control”. For me pretty much everything has been said. It was a very lively “debate”, and very personally enriching to have had the privilege to discuss with my readers – that’ll be you 😀
It certainly hasn’t been and wasn’t my intention to offend anyone. My intention was in suggesting a possible alternative, as has been adopted by other countries such as UK and Australia.
In any case at the end of the day I don’t live in the US, so it doesn’t personally affect me, whether guns are given away free with candy bars in 7-11 or banned altogether. It’s your country guys, you may do what suits you best.
A little of what I gained from the debate with my readers :
1. “GUN CONTROL” not “GUN PROHIBITION” – clue was in the title. The US constitution says “the right to bear arms” not “the right to posses an entire military arsenal in our home and be able to buy guns in 7-11 next to the chewing gum”. Moreover, the constitutional right is already limited in law, with people having to jump through hoops to get guns. So gun control isn’t an constitutional issue, the supporting laws could be changed without affecting the constitution. You can still have the “right”, provided you meet sensible criteria. And I never said that there aren’t legitimate reasons for people to have guns, “to bear arms”, anyway.
2. You’re British you wouldn’t understand, our culture is different. Fraid not on that one either, I learnt yesterday that Australia has similar gun laws to UK. They went through a similar process to the UK except their government bought their guns back instead of (essentially) confiscating them as they did in the UK. So it’s not a cultural difference issue. That’d be a stick in the mud issue actually.
3. There’s almost certainly social issues that need to be addressed. So gun control solely, doesn’t solve the underlying problems. However social change is very hard to implement, time consuming with all the bureaucracy, and may or may not solve the problems. Be good for people to push in that direction though, sometimes this approach can be very successful.
4. Criminals have guns so we must have them too. Well criminals also have drugs, so does that mean we also need to have drugs ? Criminals torture people, so should we be able to do that too ? Not really. Do we allow everything that criminals do, no we don’t, we’re opposed to that, that’s why they’re called criminals and we’re not. And also criminals will always have guns, they can be “acquired” illegally probably almost anywhere in the world. Or hand made in a small well equipped workshop probably with all the parts from Home Depot … although I’m not a gunsmith, so don’t quote me on that !
5. We ventured into vigilantism, which was interesting and I gained a lot personally discussing. My conclusion is that vigilantism may be as bad or worse than the original crime, because of the repercussive consequences. An eye for an eye springs to mind, and that makes the whole world blind eventually. A possible outcome is anarchy if people go around killing others for revenge, retribution or “justice”. With lynchings or vigilante killings going on, well, who’s next, could be me or my loved ones or yours. This is why we have justice systems in most civilised countries in the world. And Police (and armed forces) to uphold the laws. I do appreciate the anger that people feel when justice isn’t served, there’s plenty I’ve seen that’s unjust personally. However I don’t agree that this is a justification for possessing a gun, or vigilantism, or lynchings.
6. Gun control probably doesn’t solve Police brutality, or Police causing unjust deaths. Only difference is that it’s a little more difficult to kill people without guns.
7. “Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics” – Probably not best to cite statistics to me as evidence. I was a statistician in a former life whilst trading the markets for several years. Stats are at best an indicator, are often skewed to suit the agenda of the person presenting them and at worst out and out lies. In any case as I know how to prepare stats myself – so I’d want to see the raw numbers, know how they were obtained and possibly even obtain my own numbers. Before making any conclusion on whether stats support an opinion or not. Even “good stats” only serve as an indication, they are NOT solid hard facts. And you can’t predict the future using the past, either.
8. I reject the race issue, on the grounds we’re all human beings, and that solutions need to be found that suit everyone regardless of race, colour or creed. Blaming people of one ethnic origin or the other is just plain racist in my opinion. Racism I won’t tolerate on my blog – I have black, white and brown friends, there are good people from all races.
9. Lastly – as one lady said – things are probably unlikely to change (regarding gun control in the US) – TRUE.
PERSONALLY – I’m pro-life, so less guns is better as far as I’m concerned. That’s my only real angle on the whole thing. Plus sometimes I like to debate with people, it helps hone my blogging skills 😀
Bottom line for me is – it was interesting to get people’s points of view. It really is a privilege to have people share their points of view and discuss. I always learn a great deal – my reward for being a leader in this situation.
I often play devils advocate, especially when I’m being told what my opinion should be, ie preached to. Clues are usually in the opening sentence with words like “But” and “Let’s get one thing straight” … so probably best drop those if you want to post a conflicting opinion, as I can be VERY assertive and will pull apart any opinion if I want to.
99% of the commenters were lovely, and offered their opinions for debate, politely, respectfully and non-preaching. ONE guy has however been banned permanently from my blog, and added to my personal blacklist. I won’t tolerate passive aggressive behaviour from egocentric loners. I have little time for people who value “being right” at all costs, over friendship. We’re in a community here, and whilst people have respect for each other, most of the time it’s cool for people to say what they want.
No great shakes – My following count went down by one and up by several hundred, so I’m not going to cry at all over one single petty guy with an over inflated ego and skin as thin as cling film.
Also, I’ve said this many times before – this is my blog, I do say what I want here and do do what I want with my blog. I don’t change content to suit individual’s beliefs or preferences or opinions, or indeed change who I am because someone else “doesn’t like” it. Never have never will. My voice and opinion is just as important as anyone else’s, as is my right to be an individual.
THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED, I’M VERY GRATEFUL, I ENJOYED 😀
Not sure when my next “controversial” issue will be – the time consumed answering comments was massive on gun control, and I do have other responsibilities and commitments !
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