My audience is global, so apologies, this is a UK thing – however I do think think it’s an event of global significance.
I wrote a post yesterday passing on information about a crowd fund to have the iconic Big Ben clock at Westminster London “bong” (A huge loud bell inside the clock) to mark UK leaving Europe. The fund is getting close to £250000 right now, so a good chance it will reach target of £500000, and will bong for Brexit.
I do welcome comments, as I always have, – both comments in response to yesterday’s post were in opposition to the idea, and Brexit itself. It’s fair to say that the LEAVE/REMAIN Brexit issue is/was incredibly divisive, and I do somewhat sympathise with both sides of that argument. However after nearly 4 years, it’s time to leave our friends in Europe.
Comments take up quite a lot of time for me to answer, the same as writing blog posts. So, sometimes I just repost (along with my reply) them as a blog, for wider audience, as may be of interest.
Senior reader wrote :
More than 50% of the population voted for parties that wanted to remain or have a second referendum. So much for democracy and the voice of the people.
To which I replied :
The Scottish MPs also want to have a second Scottish referendum, after a “once in a generation” referendum in 2014. Question on my mind in 2014, was why was I not given a vote on whether I want Scotland to be part of UK – so perhaps the rest of the UK should be given that vote, rather than Scotland. Or, if you want to be really fair about it, the whole UK has a vote on whether Scotland stays or leaves the UK, not just Scotland.
As for Brexit, are you really sure that it’s fair to say to a population who voted leave in 2016, ie the 52% – “We know you voted to leave, but we think you might be stupid or have made a mistake, and quite frankly we don’t like your decision – so after we’ve been bickering for nearly 4 years in Parliament about it, are you *REALLY* sure you want to leave” ?
And if won, as a majority remain, what’s to stop people demanding a third, forth, fifth, sixth, seventh, etc referendum, under the same logic, because they didn’t like the result either.
By parties – Are you talking about Labour who had it’s worst defeat since 1935. Or Lib Dems, who their own leader lost her seat ? Or Change UK who no longer exist ? Or SNP who can’t seem to make up their minds if they want to stay in UK or not ? Or Corbyn who couldn’t make up his mind whether he wanted to leave or stay in Europe, on national TV, few days before the general election ?
As for the first past the post system for electing government in UK, it’s been like that for generations (it’s not proportional representation). Changing the rules because one didn’t win, hmmm, that’s not very fair is it ? And also, if the policies of those parties were so popular, then why didn’t they win ? … oh, sorry I forgot, they won the argument. Being right, is of course far more important than being a leader.
I said above, I would have voted remain (had I voted) and was a remainer up until late 2019. BUT I really really had had enough of it after nearly 4 years of bickering and uncertainty, blocking and legal bullshit, so I changed sides. The people’s vote of 2016 MUST be respected if we value democracy at all. I think that’s how critical major policies are decided, in lieu of things like civil wars, or just out and out anarchy.
“We” lost the Brexit “battle”, time to move on and make the best of it.
Best wishes for 2020, thanks for your comment.
Clowie wrote :
I won’t be donating. I see nothing to celebrate.
I, also, have been doing research and have come to very different conclusions from you. I am shocked at the lies that have been told about the EU, for decades, by our politicians and the media. The EU has been blamed for every unpopular decision made by our politicians. The things wrong with this country are not the fault of the EU. Some things would be worse without the restraints of EU regulations.
The country is still divided and it’s very sad when words like “liberal” and “tolerant” become insults. These are qualities we were once proud of.
To which I replied :
That’s OK. For me it’s more relief than celebration, after nearly 4 years of bickering (and nearly 5 years till 31-Dec-2020), there’s now a line being drawn under it, hopefully UK can move on now. As I said, if I had voted in 2016 it would have been Remain, reason, I prefer status quo (We’ve been in Europe all my lifetime)
I grew up in decades Liberal constituency, and always considered myself a liberal. Even voted Labour in early 2000s in London. But like you say things have changed, bias has changed on the left, to something that’s far from moderate or centrist, and it’s still shifting further left. Personally I abhor BOTH communism and fascism, and don’t want either. Venezuela from what I understand is the latest try at socialism, was initially heralded as a massive success, now it’s hell on earth for the majority living in horrendous poverty, whilst the corrupt at the top live like kings. But I can see the appeal in socialism in principle, it just seems it doesn’t usually work out how people expected. Capitalism is far from perfect too.
As for the EU 52% of people voted out. That’s a democratic majority for a referendum. Even though it wasn’t my choice, I still respect other people’s choice.
As for who’s to blame EU vs UK, politician’s always are blaming someone else for their failings – their main goal is to get re-elected.
We don’t know if things would be worse or better with or without the EU, because we’ve been in the EU. I would have to concede there’s been pros and cons.
Within that I’ve tried to make the post as least political as possible, I’m not an activist, nor am I an expert, nor am I a politician with any power to change anything. Perhaps that will change, I don’t know. Mostly I’ve tried to keep my blog non-political, I’m interested in people’s opinions and sometimes I’m creative.
Brexit is a major historical event, whether one believes in it or not. Personally, I’m looking at it with a positive outlook, as an opportunity for prosperity and happiness for the future.
Not much to add to that really, other than to say thankyou to the commenters, was interesting to discuss with you both.
Hopefully Brexit will bring a positive outcome all citizens of the UK. Will try and post some creative stuff on this blog this year (sorry, you know – life !)
Anyway – Here’s the GoFundMe campaign if you missed it yesterday ….
Hope this message finds you well, and that 2020 will be a prosperous and happy year for all of us.
If you’re commenting, please make it coherent and polite – if you want to be approved, and, responded to (if I have time).